Pronunciation[]
The pronunciation is currently documented as “IXS-a-lon”, which is how Mark Rosewater described it, but “XS” doesn't actually make sense in any common phonetic alphabet. An attempt at fixing it was reverted as “See source”. I think that we shouldn't include obvious nonsense in our wiki just because a WotC employee said it. Instead, I propose transcribing the name as pronounced at the start of this video in IPA, which would be [ˈɪksəɫɑːn]. —Fenhl 04:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
- I think that's what Maro meant. Here are two more asks where he denies that the "x" should be pronounced as /ʃ/. --Corveroth (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
- It is obviously more a pronunciation help, and not a proper phonetic transscription. I usually found Maro's explanations more helpful than IPA, simply because I can read it.
- In this case I have to say that a you can't really call something a fix which is just simply wrong citation. But we shoudl probably add a [sic] to make clear that this is how it was presented. - Yandere Sliver
23:54, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
- Please provide a reference for your unreadable thingy. I feel you're completely ignoring the current discussion and the previous "native pronunciation" discussion by removing the references --Hunter (talk) 11:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- The "unreadable thingy" is the standard representation of its pronunciation. Its reference is the video, although I grant that there is no external transcription into IPA cited. I would be happy to restore Maro's pronunciation, but it has the glaring flaw of being a circular definition: it leaves the "x" undefined. --Corveroth (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- I was exaggerating. Point is that most people can't read it, and that the original references were added because the pronunciation was debated (and in fact contested on this site as well). You said it yourself, that Maro's explanations are more helpful. Also, there was a discussion going on, and now it has been changed and deleted without consensus, which is kind of rude. Enough said, I'll move on to other pages now. --Hunter (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- Of the three people who had voiced a stake in the edit, Fenhl had suggested IPA rather than the nonsensical existing phonetic representation, I agreed with the accuracy of Fenhl's IPA, and Yanderesliver suggested that a phonetic presentation would help a greater number of readers, and thus preferred the existing state. There was no further discussion for eleven days, after which Fenhl went forward with their suggested improvement. I think that a week and a half is a reasonable time to wait for further comment, especially on what is, at the end of the day, a small edit.
- The article never discussed whether the pronunciation was true to the real-world cultures that are descended from those that inspired the set. That topic was covered within the cited sources, but the article contained nothing more than the pronunciation claimed by Wizards. The removal of those references does not harm the article's nonexistent coverage of the reasons for that pronunciation. If someone would like to summarize the arguments within those sources and add that to the article, it seems like fine content.
- For now, I'm editing in a further set of improvements. I'm linking the IPA representation to Wikipedia's guide to IPA (as Wikipedia does), and I'm including an alternative representation with a source that I think is superior. Fenhl, if you would like to continue to make a cause of attaching pronunciation info to appropriate articles, you have my support, but you might want to investigate Wikipedia:Template:IPAc-en and Wikipedia:Template:Respell. --Corveroth (talk) 23:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- I was exaggerating. Point is that most people can't read it, and that the original references were added because the pronunciation was debated (and in fact contested on this site as well). You said it yourself, that Maro's explanations are more helpful. Also, there was a discussion going on, and now it has been changed and deleted without consensus, which is kind of rude. Enough said, I'll move on to other pages now. --Hunter (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
- The "unreadable thingy" is the standard representation of its pronunciation. Its reference is the video, although I grant that there is no external transcription into IPA cited. I would be happy to restore Maro's pronunciation, but it has the glaring flaw of being a circular definition: it leaves the "x" undefined. --Corveroth (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Please remove duplicate 'notable cards' section[]
Would do it myself, but 'This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. [...] A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Section removal' and I CBA to create an account for this. 84.245.26.53 19:58, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the info. I removed the section. By the way if you have a twitch account you can also log in here, since we are now owned by twitch. - Yandere Sliver 20:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)