Why do the Shards of Alara Tap Lands produce C, D, or E, instead of A, B, or C?
- Good question, so I changed it. --GeoMike 10:47, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
- Isn't it standard convention that it's "C, D, or E"? "C" is usually used to mean a specific color, e.g. the generic text of a basic land is "
: Add C to your mana pool." D and E are simply the letters that follow. Chaosof99 03:30, 2 September 2011 (EDT)
- Isn't it standard convention that it's "C, D, or E"? "C" is usually used to mean a specific color, e.g. the generic text of a basic land is "
Just curious, why is Innistrad listed above Zendikar, Worldwake, and Scars? Shouldn't it be at the very bottom? 169.236.115.178 13:53, 1 September 2011 (EDT)
- I put them there because they are functionally identical to the ones from M10 (the list above them), except that they are for enemy colors rather than allied ones. Chaosof99 03:30, 2 September 2011 (EDT)
And predictably, since this page has been protected, someone creatd an account just to add "Tangoland" to the Battle land section. Can someone please remove it, and plese find a permanent solution to this problem?
- I suspect that term may have enough backing to remain (just not as the page title). What we need is citations for that and any other names that have widespread use, not edit wars and protection to enforce what "should" be. We're an encyclopedia, we cite what is. --Corveroth (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- What is is that Battle Land is the official term used by Wizards and every major/official/semi-official website (like channel fireball and such). Tango land is a joke nickname made up on the Magic reddit subforum, and only in use by a subset of US players (and no one else). The Haste page doesn't mention that older players still nickname the ability "celerity", there's no reason to give this particular nickname more credit just because its defenders are being loud about it.
- The official name of the cycle is not in question. The question is whether slang terminology has sufficient currency that it also deserves mention. If tournament coverage or ChannelFireball articles routinely called haste "celerity", to extend your example, that would be evidence that the alternative term has enough traction that it should likely be mentioned as a common name in the article lead and suggests that an appropriate redirect be created. If anyone can cite similarly reliable, published (not forum/social media discussion), secondary source documents as evidence that "tangoland" (or any other name) is in widespread use, there are few grounds remaining on which to reject that claim. --Corveroth (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- That seems fair and reasonable. Then maybe we should add "source needed" or something similar next to the proposed nicknames, since you don't seem to think that removing them until we have enough citation is the way to go (it would at least let people know the content is in construction). I still think we should filter the propositions before it gets out of hand (i've never even heard "Have land" before it was put on this page), if we add every nickname people came up with at every FNM with a "validity pending" tag, we'll never see the end of it: they were eleven propositions on the Battle Land page before it was cleaned up, and someone managed to re-add three more in "trivia" after the page was protected. Since i don't have an account i can't keep an eye on these pages anymore, but if this isn't actually though of as a problem and if we're willing to re-add the nicknames that prove their significance, i'll let the ones who can edit these take care of it and stop worrying about it.
- As it stands right now, the page should either be reverted or edited to add proper citations. I'm replying here to make the point that either course of action is a correct response, and that we don't need to immediately jump to shooting down a class of edits. If no one addresses this directly before then, I'll look into it once I get home and don't need to compose these edits from my phone. --Corveroth (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- That seems fair and reasonable. Then maybe we should add "source needed" or something similar next to the proposed nicknames, since you don't seem to think that removing them until we have enough citation is the way to go (it would at least let people know the content is in construction). I still think we should filter the propositions before it gets out of hand (i've never even heard "Have land" before it was put on this page), if we add every nickname people came up with at every FNM with a "validity pending" tag, we'll never see the end of it: they were eleven propositions on the Battle Land page before it was cleaned up, and someone managed to re-add three more in "trivia" after the page was protected. Since i don't have an account i can't keep an eye on these pages anymore, but if this isn't actually though of as a problem and if we're willing to re-add the nicknames that prove their significance, i'll let the ones who can edit these take care of it and stop worrying about it.
- The official name of the cycle is not in question. The question is whether slang terminology has sufficient currency that it also deserves mention. If tournament coverage or ChannelFireball articles routinely called haste "celerity", to extend your example, that would be evidence that the alternative term has enough traction that it should likely be mentioned as a common name in the article lead and suggests that an appropriate redirect be created. If anyone can cite similarly reliable, published (not forum/social media discussion), secondary source documents as evidence that "tangoland" (or any other name) is in widespread use, there are few grounds remaining on which to reject that claim. --Corveroth (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- What is is that Battle Land is the official term used by Wizards and every major/official/semi-official website (like channel fireball and such). Tango land is a joke nickname made up on the Magic reddit subforum, and only in use by a subset of US players (and no one else). The Haste page doesn't mention that older players still nickname the ability "celerity", there's no reason to give this particular nickname more credit just because its defenders are being loud about it.
Worldwake Spell Lands
Even though the definition at the top of the page states that "Taplands is the nickname for lands that produce multiple colors of mana...", The Battle for Zendikar Single-Colored cycle is shown on this page. For consistency's sake, shouldn't Worldwake's Spell lands (as currently called on the Worldwake page) be mentioned as well? The cycles are both similar in that the cards 1) enter tapped 2) have an "enters the battlefield" effect 3) produce a single color of mana. 4) Are common in the sets they debuted in. Zombiedude347 (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- Absolutely agreed. I added them and added a 'usually' to the multiple mana production. If you have other examples please add them. :) - Yandere Sliver
21:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Tap land
For consistency's sake, shouldn't this be tap land instead of tapland? It is also the way it is written by Mark Rosewater in his latest article. --Hunter (talk) 06:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Still think this is a valid suggestion. Why "fetch land" but "tapland"? --Hunter (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Currently we are only writing tapland and manland together. I would argue that taplands are a special case since it is such an often used mechanic, so I think it is okay to keep it distinct in writing... (Also that are a ton of updates we have to do).
- Manlands are also weird, but that is an entirely different topic. - Yandere Sliver 12:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)