Citation needed[]
I know the sources for some of the "citation needed". The one about Cridhe comes from the novel "The Cursed Land", the one about Almaaz recording of years comes from the novel "Song of Time", the ones about Taysir fighting Leshrac and the flooding of Fyndhorn comes form The History of the Battlemage Ravidel reposted here from the game site: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/335890-info-the-story-of-the-battlemage-ravidel
Reversal[]
Sorry, my reversal was unintentional --Hunter (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Typo[]
"4013-4169
* Rofellos fights Phyrexians in Yavimaya while Davvol overlaps it with Rath. * Urza meets Lyana of the Soltari. * Croag murders Davvol for his failures and his plans to kill Croag himself. "
What ? There's a typo out there :-/ - Groffskithur, 4 mai 2010
Article name[]
Currently, the article name is "Timeline". I have tried to understand reasons and possible reasons as to this move, from Timeline of Magic storylines; but, there are very few reasons for this move. On the basis of searching, no one will search for "Timeline" any more likely than they are to search for "Timeline of Magic storylines". Moreover, the title now is nondescript and imprecise. What timeline is written of in this article? It is not immediately obvious, nor is there any cogent or valid reason for this retention of the current article title, "Timeline". According, please move this article, leaving a redirect if it pleases you, to something more appropriate. --Magic Mage (talk!) 07:10, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
For the record[]
This article is now without a category. --Hunter61 (talk) 07:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Origins[]
What about the events in Origins and the Planeswalker's back stories? Should include Jace's time on Vyrn, no? Kudit (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes. Please go ahead --Hunter (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure _when_ that happens, just that it's sometime when Emmara Tandris was alive on Ravnica (I think that indicates it's post-mending, no?) Kudit (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- The Planes of Magic Origins article seems to indicate that Jace planeswalked to Ravnica prior to the events of the first Ravnica block (despite the fact that the Guildpact was supposed to prevent planeswalkers from visiting Ravnica), which would almost certainly place the Decamillenial at some point post-Mending. Blue mages have magic that can grant extended lifespans, but Jace is a telepath, not a time manipulator or a Simic biomancer.--124.150.83.11 19:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Battle For Zendikar and Shadows Over Innistrad[]
The events of the Battle For Zendikar and Shadows Over Innistrad blocks are not yet on here. Could someone please add them? Dracofulmen (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Date inconsistencies in the Artifacts Cycle[]
I have been reading through the Artifacts Cycle and am puzzled by some date references. In chapter 5 of Planeswalker, Ratepe says that Urza was born "three thousand, four hundred and thirty-seven years ago" (page 68). If Ratepe (and author Lynn Abbey) is correct, that means the primary (non-flashback) events of Planeswalker take place in 3437-3438 AR. But in chapter 9 of the following book, Time Streams, the dates given for the establishment and destruction of the Tolarian Academy are 3285 and 3307 AR, respectively (page 122), despite the fact that those events must take place after the conclusion of the events of Planeswalker. Either the authors made a mistake, or (arguably, in-universe) the teachers who taught Ratepe were incorrect. The timeline here on mtgsalvation clearly trusts the dates given in Time Streams, but it would be nice if there were some kind of comment clarifying the date that is clearly given in Planeswalker. It should probably also be noted on the Timeline page that the graphical time line presented just before chapter 1 of Planeswalker is also inconsistent in some ways with the actual events and dates recorded in Planeswalker (for example, the graphical time line says that Urza and Xantcha met in approximately 1700 AR, which is in stark contrast to what is said in chapter 5, which strongly suggests that they met in approximately 300 AR). It seems some additional notes are needed on the Timeline page to clarify some of these apparent discrepancies. If I can figure some of this out more definitively I will happily edit the page myself, but if anyone knows some of these details better than I do, I'd be grateful if they would add some further commentary. --Mtgqualitycontrol (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Post-mending dates[]
So according to the recent Magic story podcast, the Mending in fact happened about 60 years before Kaladesh block. I want to edit the timeline to account for this, but I'm not sure how to resolve it with the contradictory information that's already there. Any ideas how to solve this? Thank you! Sniffnoy (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I saw your earlier edit and was contemplating this. Thank you, by the way: I don't have the patience for podcasts myself! I don't see any references around that segment of the page, so yours definitely takes precedence over what amounts to undocumented guesswork. I think the least disruptive change is to assume the date for the Mending is correct for now (in 4505), append the most recent events under a heading for 4565, and then shift the dates for everything in between to make sense. Also, update the Tarkir time travel bit, which is known to be 1280 years before the present... I should go dig up that reference. --Corveroth (talk) 06:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
The Mending was in 4500. See vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/624185473561165824/when-did-occure-the-mending-4500-4505-another#notes --86.202.234.98 22:01, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Arena edits[]
Are these dates given explicitly in the text? Also, did you intent to remove the existing entry placed at the year 4050? --Corveroth (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- The dates aren't given, but the time period between the events is known, starting from the ascension of Greensleeves in 4077. We know that the Time of Troubles happened eight years before, the Night of Fire twenty years before that, and that Galin was five at the time. Since the Festival in Arena is the 998th, we can find the date for the first Festival. (the 4050 date was a blunder on my part, sorry, I've corrected it). --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
The Thran timeline[]
Following Squirle's advice, I too think that the dates of the Thran history are too precise. I would put them all under the -5000AR, using the Thran-Phyrexian War as a fixed point, and putting the precedent events accordingly (for example, 7 times before Thran-Phyrexian War) as they are given in the Thran novel. However, before proceeding I wanted to ask if someone is against this change (obviously I'll change the other Thran pages linked to this change).--Firebead elvenhair (talk) 19:01, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
- The timeline here is largely Squirle's creation in the first place. I see no problem with trying to maintain this page to parallel his work elsewhere. --Corveroth (talk) 19:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed --Hunter (talk) 06:02, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Random Timeline Stuff[]
So based on some evidence I found in stories and books (rtr, kaladesh, ixalan, and aoa) I have figured out these dates. The Gatewatch is in Kaladesh in about 4564, and Jace ends up in Ixalan about 4566. Liliana was born around 4335, and Jace about 4540 (which means he was with Alhammarret between 4553 & 4555) and planeswalked to Ravnica in about 4555. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hanami1426 (talk • contribs).
- Excellent! Can you write up your argument for those dates somewhere so that we can cite that source? --Corveroth (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sure! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B0wzGiLYS2Iet393bNY3on93WK_Qtfl6DNWY0Ctqi4E/edit?usp=sharing
- I'm probably wrong about a couple of these, but I thought I'd see if I could find anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hanami1426 (talk • contribs).
Planes[]
Since the events on the timeline comes from almost every plane, I think it can be a little confusing as it is now. Wouldn't be better to put the name of the plane to which it refers before the event? --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 14:58, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think there's room to improve on a lot of things here. Do you just want to start off each bullet point with something like
''Ravnica'':? That could work, but there might be a lot of redundancy. Especially earlier in the timeline, there's probably a chunk that could just be "Dominaria unless otherwise stated". If you want to try it, you could copy the page over to Timeline/sandbox and iterate over there. - There are also bigger questions about the page that should be resolved at some point, and I'm not sure if they're worth addressing before going about tagging each event with a plane label. The quality of citations, the rationale for many dates, the criteria for including an event in the list... I don't have good answers for a lot of this. --Corveroth (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I don0t want to seem too redundant. What you proposed it exactly what I had in mind. I wanted to put a plane before the bullet point only when the event is mixed within other planes. In occasions like the Brothers' War or the Dark Age, a "Dominaria" near the title can suffice, I think. Another one of my intentions is to put sources for the events when available, but I fear that will take years...
Azor, Sarkhan, Ugin[]
3265 Ugin and Azor meet to discuss a plan
3285 Sarkhan arrives in the past of Tarkir to see the dragon battle
3390 Azor travels to Ixalan (date approximate)
Hey, this doesn't make sense. Azor should have traveled to Ixalan between 3265 and 3285. Azor was on Ixalan and prepared to teleport Bolas from Tarkir to Ixalan if Ugin would have sent the signal. --Tuamir (talk) 22:56, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- How I read the story was: Ugin and Azor plan -> Azor travels to Ixalan and build the sun -> Ugin lures Bolas to Tarkir and fight him, but get defeated and saved by Sarkhan - Yandere Sliver
23:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Dack Fayden[]
I just realized that the exploits of Dack Fayden are absent from the timeline... does someone know where to put him? --Firebead elvenhair (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Jhoira's age / Time Streams dates[]
Just leaving this as a note for possible future cross-referencing. In Time Streams Ch 1, Jhoira states her own age as 18. In Ch 3, she gives Teferi's age as 14, and even six or more months later, Urza restates that fact in Ch 5, just before the destruction of the Academy. The founding and destruction of the Academy 1.0 are explicitly stated in Ch 9: 3285 and 3307. Mutiple references in Ch 7 and Ch 10, agree that returning to the island after the destruction took 10 years. Mentions of the progression of seasons add up to another year before the attack that puts Jhoira in a coma - mid-Spring 3318. The narrative skips forwards 3 more years. Roughly a year passes from that point while Jhoira recovers from her coma, and at the beginning of Ch 11, Teferi says he was trapped in slow-time for nearly 15 years, putting his rescure in 3322 . Very tidy timekeeping, everything lines up. Adding it all up, then, Jhoira was born in 3307-18=3289, Teferi born in 3307-14=3293 (give or take some months).
According to this new lore card, Jhoira is currently "twelve hundred years old". That's understandably imprecise, but she's at least younger than 1300, so by that yardstick, we are probably currently before the year 3289+1300=4589. Our estimated current date for Dominaria is 4565. That's in agreement! Right now, there's no need to revise anything, but if Jhoira sticks around in the future, we've got ourselves a handy way to check our dates. --Corveroth (talk) 06:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Rathi Overlay / Phyrexian Invasion[]
Today's article gives us "around 4205" as the date that Rathi Moggs were introduced to the Shivan population. How does this align with our other dates for that period? Should we update our timekeeping by a year? --Corveroth (talk) 22:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Rabiah[]
As he leaves, Nailah casts a ban on the planes of Rabiah and locks Taysir and other planeswalkers out of the 1001 worlds. According to the comics, only Taysir is banned, not other PW. --86.202.114.151 23:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Fixed, thx. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 06:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Innistrad[]
The Innistrad story "The Cursed Blade" takes place between Ava. 699 and 719, and although not many characters cross over from the set, Geralf and Gisa's war is shown to take place between Harvest Moon, Ava. 716 and Hunter's Moon, Ava. 719, with the Cecani manor burning down just before 45th of New Moon, Ava. 715. If the original Innistrad set takes place in Ava. ~719 and ~4558 AR, it would place Avacyn's creation in ~3839 AR. This conflicts with "A Gaze Blank and Pitiless," which has her killing Liesa 1000 years before ~4560, but it is possible "a thousand years" is an approximation (the real number in this case being roughly 721 years). I think the Cursed Blade numbers, being more specific, would be preferable to those from A Gaze Blank and Pitiless. - DayoftheNinja (talk) 21:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Recent Changes[]
This page has been marked by User:Bob the Wikipedian for cleanup in a few spots, and recent changes including those by User:Jay13x, although generally more specific, do not have sources for their new dates. Recent edits also revert Bob the Wikipedian's fixes to Ravnican dates due to different year length (this is already called out on the page and in the previous edit but may require a more clear-cut mention). Additional recent changes include:
- Niv-Mizzet's hatching has been updated from ~6,500 A.C. as per Guildpact to 6691 A.C. as per War of the Spark: Ravnica.
- Planeswalker births, including Arlinn Kord, Ajani Goldmane, Gideon Jura, and Tacenda Verlasen have been removed.
- Liliana's acquisition of the Chain Veil, murder of Kothophed, and cursing of Garruk have been removed.
- More minor events including the Inventors' Fair and various planeswalker visits have been removed.
- The events of the Gatewatch Era have been compressed from four years (~4559-4562) into two (~4559-4560).
I don't know if there is a standard of what constitutes "newsworthy" enough for inclusion on this page, but that should probably be further discussed and decided. I'm also not sure how much sourcing there is for the dating of recent events but a more solid explanation of those dates would help cement their placement. - DayoftheNinja (talk) 18:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Possibly adding tooltips to non-Dominarian years with a short mention of dating or year length would help? Or simply citing each use of non-Dominarian years with a reference stating the year length. - DayoftheNinja (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've begun marking events on my own personal User:Bob the Wikipedian/Timeline. I think the current state of the timeline page we have here has assumed too much. Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 20:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Under "Notes on the timeline," there is a section that discusses Ravnican and Dominarian years passing at approximately the same rate. Teysa Karlov's age from the Family Values article lines up well with dates in the Guildpact novel. This would also be about the same amount of time to have passed on Dominaria. Despite the difference with number of days in a year, the years seem to pass at about the same rate which probably makes Ravnican days longer. Just noting that the dates previously posted by User:Jay13x reflected this. --Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 12:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
A couple of other points for clarification, events from the Ravnica Cycle occurred in 10,012 Z.C. per the novels. These events are before the Mending, and multiple citations associated with Agyrem indicate that the overlay of that area remained until the Mending. This would also be in line with the years between Dominaria and Ravnica passing at approximately the same rate.--Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 23:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if I'm missing something in the Ravnican notes but it seems that Teysa stating her age and Karlov stating the same length of time would only prove that Ravnican years are the same length as Ravnican years. Does either story mention Dominarian years? I could see this theory being true if RTR took place before the mending, but I can't seem to confirm that either. RTR came out six years after TSP and I don't see any references to Agyrem in the RTR block stories, planeswalker's guides, or cards, so its unclear to me that it hadn't already been dissolved by then. Anyone with information from the novels might have a better grasp of the situation than I do. DayoftheNinja (talk) 08:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- From 4560 A.R. or 10,076 Z.C., we know that the Mending happened about 60 years prior (using Dominarian years). In the MTG article Ravnica, Then and Now, Adam Lee indicates that Agyrem remained on Ravnica until the Mending, and the Ravnica art book says that the “blister” on the plane (which Lee references as Agyrem) dissolved after the Mending. These sources place the events of the Guildpact and Dissension novels (10,012 Z.C.) before the Mending. The epilogue of the Dissension novel indicates the year as 10,014 Z.C., and it is assumed that Agrus Kos had his responsibilities in Agyrem for a couple more years before the Mending removed it (this is also the 2-year margin of error mentioned in the notes section). If you take 10,014 and add 2 plus 60, you get us to 10,076 Z.C. which is also 4560 A.R. Therefore, Ravnican years are considered to have passed at approximately the same rate as those on Dominaria. Consistent with the MTG article and the art book, Agyrem is not mentioned in the Return to Ravnica novels (because it is no longer there). Even with the margin of error, 10,012 Z.C. should be placed before the Mending.--Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 13:58, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Under the Mending Era section on the timeline (4500), it references Agyrem as being split off from Ravnica per Lee's article. How can the events of Dissension (10,012 Z.C.) occur after the Mending if an important part of those events (Agyrem) is no longer there?--Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah okay, I hadn't realized the events in 10,012 Z.C. were from original Ravnica block. In that case it would more or less definitively show that Ravnican years are analogous with Dominarian years. I'll change the article to reflect that then, thanks! DayoftheNinja (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Some additional interesting discussion (and a bit of criticism) by Squirl, here http://multiverseinreview.blogspot.com/2021/08/dissension.html#more ~~----
- Thank you. Some good points, but I've always wondered why there was so much focus on comparing the number of days in a year. After all, in our own solar system, each planet has a different number of days in a year, but the passage of time is generally considered constant. I think Lee's 2012 article attempted to go back and clean up some of the discrepancies, but it's not perfect. Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 12:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Midnight Hunt[]
Is there any source for Midnight Hunt occuring in 4560, with Crimson Vow in 4561? Jay Annelli places both in 4561, and I'm not sure I see anything indicating a time placement in any of the other sources or if that was just guesswork. DayoftheNinja (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think we just counted calendar years as a year in A.R. --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, that makes a lot of sense. 4560 lasted a while and it looks like the timeline's moving along more normally now, but I think I'll update with Jay's dates then. DayoftheNinja (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Set Timeline[]
Would it make sense to add a Set/Source Timeline similar to Multiverse in Review's as a separate tab? I've seen requests for one on reddit, and I know I personally sometimes struggle to remember which events pertain to, for example, Innistrad vs. Shadows Over Innistrad. Jay's recent post would also be a helpful resource for that. DayoftheNinja (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is an ongoing project of Berend (Squirl), so we should give credit where credit is due, but sure if you are willing to make the improvement go ahead. Or maybe a prominent link to his page suffices? --Hunterofsalvation (talk) 05:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm definitely a big fan of all of Squirle's work and read Multiverse in Review religiously, but I think it wouldn't hurt to have our own (possibly truncated) version of his timeline, especially since this site is much more easily findable for casual fans and Squirle does do his own editorializing on some of the dates. I'll start up on that soon. DayoftheNinja (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Elspeth's Age[]
For reference, some criticism on the timeline of Elspeth https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgvorthos/comments/u34szg/how_old_was_elspeth_when_she_left_her_home_plane/
--Hunterofsalvation (talk) 04:29, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a mathematical way to get all all the canonical dates and time spans on the time line already, plus Elspeth being 13 when her spark ignites, to line up. This also means we know when certain birthdays happen and by extension the relative times of year of certain events, based on that. Is that level of detail worth adding to the time line? --Neckerchief299 18:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Math should go in the notes section at the bottom. As for dates/more specific info, I'm for its inclusion whenever we know details. In 3980 AR you can see I included some from the Jared Carthalion comics, and more precise dates in the Ravnican years around 4449 AR, trying to use a similar style to how Wikipedia includes dates in their year articles. DayoftheNinja (talk) 23:25, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Upon review, I'm not sure all of the dates actually can be squared. As far as I can figure, we have Duels of the Planeswalkers 2014 in ~4557, Elspeth born 24 years earlier, her spark igniting 13 years after that, when Daxos is 7, (Note here: I couldn't actually find Elspeth being stated as 16 when she arrived at Bant in Godsend. It's possible I missed it as I only had the Google Books preview to work off of, but that information certainly doesn't seem to appear), squired on Bant at 17, knighted at 20, and then supposedly 15 years after she first visits Theros, Daxos dies. But 4557 - 24 + 13 + 15 would give us 4561, well after Theros, even with some fudging of birthdates. For it to work, Duels would have to take place 4 years before Theros, which I don't think fits. I think the dates may just be off here. Not to mention, Duels places itself a few years after the IDW Comics stories, which also doesn't seem possible in continuity. I can put all of this in the notes section, but just wanted to see if there could be anything I'd missed first. DayoftheNinja (talk) 11:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Elspeth is born in 4532. Chandra is born in 4537, and Daxos is born later that same year. In 4545, Elspeth turns 13 and then meets Daxos before he turns 8. In 4557, Duels of the Planeswalkers happens after Chandra has turned 20, but before Elspeth has turned 25. Theros happens in 4559 after Daxos has turned 22. --Neckerchief299 00:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, I stand corrected, that completely works. I'll add those details to the main page. Great work! DayoftheNinja (talk) 08:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Year Zero[]
I realize that this is not an exact science and is trivial in the grand scheme of millennia, but based upon the premise that years are more or less equivalent in MTG in order to facilitate storytelling, shouldn't we assume that there is a "year zero" in the Ravnican calendar (AC/ZC) as well? Here are some conversations that seem to indicate this.
https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/676712427257282560/hi-again-maybe-im-mistaken-but-year-zero-does (as a follow up to the following): https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/676673641579200512/hi-jay-with-the-mtg-timeline-does-the-ravnican The following timeline also implies a "year zero:" https://multiverseinreview.blogspot.com/2015/01/timeline.html
If we do have a year zero, shouldn't the Guildpact be placed at ~-5516 AR (0 AC/ZC) and Niv-Mizzet's birth at ~-12208 AR (6692 AC)? Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 06:44, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I had hoped/assumed there wasn't one, since like the first question points out, our calendar doesn't have one, but that evidence does seem pretty compelling. I think it's safe to say there is a 0 ZC, I can update the timeline accordingly. DayoftheNinja (talk) 07:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing me here User:DayoftheNinja. In terms of real solid sources I'd prefer to avoid fan blogs but if they say such and such official source mentions a year 0, then fair enough. I'm not really clear how much anything official locks it down either way, so I'm not gonna worry about it much for now :)- jerodast (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- In fairness, Jay exists in some kind of liminal space between official and unofficial lore source. I'm not sure anyone is quite sure where he falls, but he's certainly above a fan blog. In the recent Command Zone video for New Capenna, for example, he's credited as "consulting loremaster," and he has written a couple of officially licensed lore books. I'd certainly take a more official source if we ever get one, but for now a definitive answer from a semi-official source seems to be as close as we can get. DayoftheNinja (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Another read of the Guildmaster's Guide revealed this line to me: "Years prior to [the signing of the Guildpact] are denoted as 'Al Concordant.' or AC, and counted backward from 1 AC. Years after the signing are 'Zal Concordant,' ZC." This seems to imply that there may be a 0 ZC, since it is not noted in the same was as AC, and the year before 0 ZC is 1 AC. DayoftheNinja (talk) 03:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Current Ravnican Year[]
With Multiverse in Review's most recent post, there are some great new observations as always. I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but the most notable was the ZC dating: somehow I missed that the D&D Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica explicitly places Return to Ravnica block in 10,075 ZC, a year later than timelines on this wiki, and doesn't say that 10,076 is the year Guilds of Ravnica block occurred, but actually that it is the "current date." The book takes place before Guilds of Ravnica and the leadership changes that had already taken place by Dhazo (the second month) of that year. This means that the Guildmaster's Guide must be either in the first month of 10,076, or that GRN takes place in 10,077. The latter makes much more sense with RTR's new dating, so unless anyone objects I'll be updating the Ravnican dates accordingly. DayoftheNinja (talk) 03:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- The issue I see is that The Gathering Storm begins and ends in autumn as indicated in the first and final chapters. The novella seems rather compact, and I think the standard thought was that all of those events had taken place in the fall of 10,076 ZC leading into WotS. If the argument is that the Obzedat was assassinated in Dhazo, that would indicate that The Gathering Storm happened over an entire year which does not quite align with the proposed new dates. Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 06:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's a very fair point and a good indicator that the Dhazo date may have been retconned (or that Autumn on Ravnica occurs during its first few months), but I'm not sure it makes it any less likely that those events through WAR took place in 10,077. As far as I know the only explicit dates we have since original Ravnica block are both from the Guildmaster's Guide, which says that it is currently 10,076 and that RTR took place in 10,075. It's harder to argue that fewer than 2 years happened between RTR and WAR than it is to say that the Guide is placed the year before GRN, since we already know it must be between RTR and GRN because of the leaders and status of the guilds it presents. DayoftheNinja (talk) 07:09, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- This isn’t an attempt to change the Ravnican dates again, but I did want to reference a recent post from Jay Annelli on Archive Trap Mini over what year War of the Spark occurred, especially since the Multiverse in Review post prominently mentions Jay’s timeline. The Wiki timeline appropriately acknowledges that it isn't completely accurate, but I wanted to capture the differences of opinion here in discussion. Nivmizzetreborn (talk) 00:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)